the current mayor, bloomberg, has done a lot for the city's economy but it was koch who took over when things were at their depths and even people who don't like him i think give him credit for doing that. >> how about his record on race relations she? >> well, it's very controversial. he got elected with support of the black community but then double crossed them. that was why a lot of people didn't like him. he did deals with people and often turned against them. he was also accused of -- and i was living here at the time, he certainly wasn't very sensitive to police brutality and things like that. he tended to take the view of the people in the outer burrow, mostly white new yorkers, who thought things were spiraling out of control and he needed a sort of crackdown on crime. so he started off pretty popular with the black community but he didn't end up very popular and it was of course new york's first black mayor who eventually defeated him when he ran for mayor for the third time. >> tell us more about the reaction on the streets of new york today. >> well, i mean, like everybody